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Why NY and not just NYC would be a unique, interesting, and fun FO5 setting

To start, this should be a single player game. If Bethesda/Obsidian/MS can make it so I can play with 1 or 2 friends, I want that but understand it's not that simple.
So why it should be picked:
First, NY has an amazing history when it comes to Pre-Revolution, Revolution, the Civil War, and beyond. Major events like the battle at Saratoga (which is considered the turning point of the Revolution), the 1980 Miracle on Ice, and Woodstock (along with a whole lot more) all took place in upstate NY. So the rich history of the area is ripe for pro American stylizing and propaganda that gives FO it's unique take on American Atom-punk.
That along with more modern history of things like the Native Americans (The Oneidas) actually taking back their land and forming their own sovereign nation (basically they have their own gov. Pay no state taxes, and self govern with police, fire, and allow gambling which NY does not). So their modern government would not only be some great lore, but I honestly believe could be a basis for the main quest line. Things like their unique tribal leadership, philosophy, and gambling (hello 10 luck) could bring a very grey area to fallout that was kind of missed in FO3 + 4. Plus their mythology would make for a great weird scene that fallout has at least 1 of every game.
Also, for those who don't know, upstate NY is very country with major cities pocketed about. (Utica, Albany, Syracuse, etc). So if you liked NV style of wandering the wastes, or 3s style of city wandering, we've got both. Also, we've got two mountains areas, one in the Adirondacks and the Catskills are the other.
That said, one of the most important parts of fallout are the locations. Where can we go? For that I have a list:
Major locations:
Lake Placid Winter Olympics training facility - the winter olympics world be held in 2078 and if they still exist by then and to play into the game, LP could be the location of those games. Again, the miracle on ice where American Amateurs bested the Communist Russian Pros, was held there. The "Better dead than Red" sentiment would be full force. Not to mention one of a few great locations for a possible vault (80, in this case to house winter olympians). Plus, the weapons could be cool too. Hockey sticks, hockey skate blades on gloves, a goalie mask for armor, you name it.
Cooperstown Baseball HOF - Now when you think Americana, Baseball is one of your first thoughts, don't lie. Cooperstown is baseball central and very pretty. Another great place for pro-american styles and fun gear like baseball base mines, softball helmets (because fuck you "A League of Their Own" style pro-baseball league in FO sounds awesome), and of course bats and baseball grenades. Also a baseball Vault (Vault 4, 5, 7, or 9). Not my idea, but in this vault, there's 32 teams of mens and 32 teams of womens baseball (or coed teams, idk), all of whom are pro players. Vault tec test is simple, winner gets food and drinks, loser gets steroid infused food and drink (but they don't know it has steroids obviously). The idea is, test how good at baseball people can be if given monster amounts of steroids for generations. I'll make a separate post about this in detail if desired.
Canastota Boxing HOF - Another unique area for America. Canastota is pretty boring and empty, but for those of you old enough to remember Rocky when it came out, it basically revived Boxing as a major sport and also had a moment where America bested the Red Menace (Rocky IV). Maybe a spot for a vault or to learn unique unarmed moves. Pugilism Illustrated anyone?
Albany - NYs capital and an easy big city area along the Hudson. A great location for corporate greed, governmental corruption, and side quests. Can't say it'll be the focal point of the game since its very near the eastern border of it, but a good location for exploring and lore.
Buffalo/Niagara Falls - Ya ever gone over the falls in a barrel? Do ya want to? I think using Niagara Falls (which has an American and Canadian side, Canadas is the U-shaped famous one) as Fallouts first "Non-American" location would be fun. First, the falls are beautiful and are a major source of hydroelectric power. Second, in FO, America annexed canada, so it's technically still America! Third, right across the "border" are casinos! More gambling! Third and a half, it's another big city and buffalo is where the buffalo wing was invented (God bless buffalo wings). Besides the cool lore opportunity about the annexation and the city location, the falls could be a major location for the story if the main conflict was about powering the area, similar to NV.
Syracuse - NYs (literal) center city. The Salt City as it was formally known is a big city with some great old and new style. Again, not much about the city to say, but a great opportunity for corporate BS. The main attraction would be the Syracuse Dome (formerly the Carrier Dome). Due to its location and style, it's perfect as a central trading hub for the major cities and people. Think of Great Green Jewel style, people living, bars, shops, etc. BUT the really interesting part is what's right next to the Dome. SUNY ESF (Environmental Science and Forestry). This college is special because (A. I went there) it has very unique programs and with some future tech thrown in, could be a great location for a Fallout 3 Harold or NV vault 22-esq quest. The college already does experiments with major chemicals, evolution (FEV anyone?) and breeding plants for unique purposes. Again, I have a really cool idea for this area, but that can be a different post. Fun fact, ESF is actually working to bring back the North America Chestnut that went (nearly) extinct! Also, some asshole releases the fruit flies the genetics lab work with every year and it sucks.
NYC (Empire, 9/11 memorial, Statue of Liberty) - Yeah yeah, you can't have NY without the City, but frankly there's so much here to explore and deal with, I'd leave it to the pros to really do it justice.
Turning Stone Casino - Gambling, a hotel/restaurants like in NV, and a good spot for the main quest line.
Fort Stanwix - A real revolutionary war fort. HQ or major area for raiders. Safe, well protected and with plenty of history.
Fort Drum and Griffis Air Force Base: Two major bases that could be packed with guns, nukes, and power armor. Heavily guarded by turrets, robots, and security gates.
Main Quest:
Without too much detail, I figure your character will be hired to figure out the future of NY.
You'll be brought to the Turning Stone which is currently the HQ of the Oneida tribe. Your job would be to either work with the other tribes in the former Iroquois Confederation (Seneca, Cayuga, Onondaga, Oneida, Mohawk, and Tuscarora [added later]). (Quick note: in my AU, some time after the bombs fell, the IC came to power because of their knowledge of living off the land and attempted to rebuild society. After some time rebuilding and establishing a post-war society, the tribes do the thing all humans do and bicker. Around 2200 the IC broke apart but the tribes retained power in their areas. They fight, trade, yadda yadda but no one is in control of everything.
Throughout your quest, it turns out that what is holding everyone back is a lack of power for things like lights and running water. Your job will be to determine where to get that power (Nuclear power plant in Oswego or the falls in Niagara?) And where to give it (one tribe? A few? Or all?). But that's not all, the tribes can't decide who should be in charge. One tribe wants to remain independent, don't help the outsiders and rebuild society in their image within NY, another wants to help others but would need to sacrifice their own people's safety and seclusion. Maybe another wants to be imperialist and expand their borders throughout America through way of force and fear while another agrees with taking land but wants it done through offers of protection for taxes. And each tribe has its own opinion on bringing the IC back together, staying separate, or taking over the tribes for themselves.
It's up to you character to decide who to help. Do you work hard to try and bring all tribes together under one banner or choose a side and execute their will as a paid mercenary/ambassador?
Other choices would be chaos by siding with raiders, or maybe a BOS path to take out all the tribes, idk, haven't thought it all out. Again, not a writer.
So personally, I like the idea that if you choose to go with a single faction, there would a battle/war mechanic where you and an army (or alone if you really wanna try) take over and lay claim to areas similar to Nuka World where you fly the gangs flag. Nothing complicated, normal fallout fights, don't die and kill the leadehis troops to win.
Karma is back. You will garner good or bad rep with each tribe depending on what you do. I'd like an armor system like in NV but I can live without it.
There is an ending. Once you beat the game you can continue doing side quests for armoexperience/ammo but only for the tribes left in power. Occasional rebellions will rise up as random events that need to be put down.
Settlements are limited. Like skyrim, but a plot and build. No need to build one everywhere and you don't even need to do it if you don't want to.
Radio host? Gimme a Mr. New Vegas type guy. I don't want an eccentric 3-dog, I want a smoothed voiced person wishing me lady like luck.
Also, smarter AI.
Otherwise, typical FO mechanics. Weapons degrade, can upgrade weapons and armor, etc.
Main problems with NY:
No real borders to the south. Invisible walls would like be necessary which is stupid. Same to the East, but the Hudson could theoretically be used as a border if you put crazy strong mirelurks or something to kill the player if they tried to cross (or more invisible walls)
Don't want to disrespect the tribes. This is an issue with using each tribe as a possible faction. You're bound to piss off or disrespect one. So it'll be a task to make sure it's as limited as possible.
What to do with the city? It's a huge area that can be used for so much, but as a part of NY it's actually pretty seperated. It's a commercial hub now, but there's nothing there that would really be a reason to go down there. So do you make it one or do we just make it a glowing sea type area that's completely decimated from the bombs? That's my personal choice honestly, but it's a tough one to please as many as possible.
Conclusion: NY is rad.
I'll be taking questions as long as they do not involve Canadian trivia. Thank you.
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Buffalo 2075

Some of you may remember me asking about world building for the 6th world.. well I created a history for Buffalo in 2075 starting from the 2000's.
IF YOU'RE PART OF ARTEMIS-UB, DO NOT READ THIS. Minor spoilers involved. You'll get a redacted version.
I'd appreciate any feedback from those who want to take the time to read it. If you just enjoy the read that's awesome too!
EDIT: I need to give lots of credit to The Shadowrun Supplemental #16, A Shadowtourist's Guide to Buffalo ( Lots of inspiration came from that.
===== Introduction =====
Buffalo became a full-fledged city in 1832. The city began as a boomtown on the Erie Canal and it soon became a major hub for sea traffic and shipping by rail. The hard economic times of the 20th century soon slowed Buffalo's growth to a trickle, but with the new millennium came new growth and new opportunities for the Queen City. Greater Buffalo and Niagara Falls make up a large portion of the Toronto-BuffaloSyracuse Metropolitan Corridor (TBSM).
The city of Buffalo alone boasts over a million in population, with most of the expected facilities. Institutions of higher learning include the UCAS University at Buffalo and Buffalo State College. Numerous state, city and county parks and easy access to beaches on Lake Erie and Ontario provide yearround opportunities for sports and recreation.
Western New York fans enjoy seeing Sabres games during the season. Buffalo is also home to the Buffalo Bisons (AAA baseball), Buffalo Stampede (Combat Biking), and Buffalo Destroyers (Urban Brawl). Skiers and snowmobilers have up to a dozen excellent resorts for winter fun between 10 and 60 miles of the Greater Buffalo area.
===== 2000 - 2010 =====
=== 2001 - === Grand Island has a two day blackout when all tranformers burst within 10 minutes of each other. Blames faulty grid.
=== 2005 - === Earthquake levels Manhattan. Causes economic growth in Buffalo. NFTA expands greatly in public transportation with the influx of people.
=== 2006 - === Buffalo moves for state to increase size of Buffalo proper to include the surounding suburbs of Amherst and Cheektowaga. It is accepted with very popular approval of the city folk. Buffalo offers tax cuts for construction of Downtown buildings. University at Buffalo and Buffalo State plan growth to accomidate influx of population from NYC. NFTA continues expansion with funding to have lines to UB North and Buffalo State.
=== 2009 - === State grants former Seneca Indian Reservation to Shiawase Corporation, which purchased Niaga Power Authority earlier this year. Shiawase purchases NFTA. Power fluctuations begin occuring on Grand Island.
=== 2010 - === Buffalo quarentines itself during VITAS outbreak in India. Protests occur around the city. Economic growth comes to a standstill. A criminal underground starts to surface.
=== 2011 - === Protests turn to riots as the quarentine stays. Buffalo Bills are sold to Rochester. Criminal Underground begins to grow in South Buffalo. Unemployment drops by 20% in North Buffalo.
== Dec 24 == Grand Island becomes uninhabitable 1st day: trees in the area grew overnight by almost 2 feet in diameter. 2nd day: wildlife all over the place seemed to just appear overnight. People begin to leave. 3rd day: All transformers explode overnight. State of emergency declared and population begins evacuation. 4th day: The land suddenly begins to change. Land raises and lowers, houses are split in half. Panic ensues. 5th day: Gigantic trees appear. Paracritters also begin to show up. Some friendly, some not so much. 6th day: Grand Island is no longer livable. Buffalo declares no trespassing without government allowance. 7th day: National Guard is sent in to investigate. 24 go in and are never heard or seen again. 14th day: After a 2/3rd majority vote, all bridges connected to Grand Island are destroyed.
=== 2012 - === Quarentine is lifted from the City. Buffalo avoids major devestation from VITAS. Buffalo offers to suspend property tax for 5 years to corps willing to build downtown. Ares Macrotechnology Tower is built downtown as a twin, spiralling spire. Spans six square block area on the waterfront. Grand Island starts to look like something out of a fantasy novel. UGE causes panic in Southtowns. Many UGE babies sent down niagara river. New Era field is abandoned.
=== 2014 - === Mitsuhama Computer Technologies purchases Toshiba and absorbs it. Begins construction of more research labs downtown. Shiawase begins continuation of NFTA lines.
=== 2015 - === Fuchi Industrial Electronics and Renraku Computer systems begin constructing compounds downtown. New Era Field starts to gain a homeless population.
=== 2017 - === UB and Buffalo State begin taking in more students with sponsorships from the megacorps. Shiawase purchases UB North Campus. Still part of University at Buffalo. Focuses on Engineering and Computer Technologies.
Shiawase continues NFTA lines.
Oro begins constructing a compound downtown. Purchases Grand Island from Buffalo and gains extraterritoriality of it. Economy of Buffalo is recovering.
=== 2018 - === Treaty of Denver causes large migration of people from Canada. Lockport sees large economy boost from migration. Many housing buildings are purchased by Shiawase and renovated. NFTA lines begin extension to Lockport.
Shiawase purchases Boring Company. Shiawase purchases NYC Subway system. Shiawase begins construction of tunnel from Buffalo -> Rochester -> Syracuse -> Albany -> New York City.
Police give up trying to remove homeless population from New Era Field.
=== 2021 - === Goblinization rocks Buffalo. Hard. Buffalo goes into a state of emergency for 3 days. New Era Field becomes a safe haven for all Metatypes. Becomes central of black market and smuggling.
Mayor gives a speech after about how we must be accepting of others in these hard times and how all people are equal. This was promptly followed by his head exploding like a water melon. Panic follows the city even more after this. Ares is contracted out by Buffalo to handle the rioting and mayhem. Curfew is put into effect on the people. Violence slowly went down.
Tunnel to Rochester is completed. Tunnel to Albany is completed.
=== 2022 - === Ares Arms Military Division is officially hired as the local police force. Protests happen from Police Officers which leads to many "accidental deaths". Bullet trains between Buffalo and Rochester is created. 20 minute travel time. Bullet trains between NYC and Albany is created. 30 minute travel time.
Oro becomes Aztechnology. Aztechnology purchases UB South Campus. Still part of University at Buffalo. Focuses on Magical Studies
Buffalo gets hit by VITAS this time around. Lockport gets hit hard.
=== 2023 - === Ares Macrotechnology buys up land in Lockport to build a manufacturing plant.
Kaleida Health purchases Roswell Medical Center. Builds more medical centers downtown.
=== 2026 - === Tunnel to Syracuse is completed on both sides Ares manufacturing plant is created. Lots of people from Rochester and Syracuse end up working there.
Kaleida Health purchases UB Downtown Campus.
=== 2027 - === Bullet trains between Rochester and Syracuse is created. 20 minute travel time. Bullet trains between Albany and Syracuse is created. 30 minute travel time.
Aztechnology sends researchers with proper magic defenses into Grand Island. The bodies are found in the screens of Niagara Power Plant.
=== 2029 - ===
== Crash of 29 == A single NFTA subway is destroyed from the Crash Virus. 200 people were killed. Buffalo sends researchers to help combat the Crash Virus. They're never heard from again. Massive protests happen over companies shutting down. Ares combats with force. Governement closes the City. Businesses hurt due to commuters. New Era Field gains a larger presence in the city as smuggling and protection becomes more needed. Dubbed [[Locations:The Grid Iron|The Grid Iron]]
=== 2030 - === With the formation of UCAS, Buffalo acquires Fort Erie, Ontario and the western side of Niagara Falls. Shiawase immediately begins building tunnels in those districts. Fort Erie was recognized as one of Newsweeks Magazine's 10 worst places to live due to its high population, high crime rate, and undesirable businesses. Fort Erie is filled with Casinos, Strip Clubs, sports and music venues, and bars. Dubbed "Little Vegas in the East"
Kaleida Health purchases more places downtown. Growing into a megacorp.
Aztechnology attempts some ritual around Grand Island. During the ritual, each one was struck by lightning at the exact same time. The lightning jumped out from the middle of the island.
Buffalo economy booms more. Many new businesses spring up in Medical, Science, and Engineering fields.
=== 2037 - === Kaleida Health becomes AA corporation.
=== 2039 - === Night of Rage - Metahumans protest discrimination. Protesters are met with gunfire. Gunfire is returned. Hundreds are killed. Tensions rise high between Amherst and North Buffalo. Ares is blamed for letting this happen.
=== 2040 - === Ares loses Police Contract to Lone Star. Ares seems to leave with a smile.
Kaleida Health builds a massive medical health and research center. The building is shaped like an H, with the center piece 20 stories up.
=== 2047 - === Branch of Humanis Policlub is founded in Amherst.
=== 2063 - === Horizon builds an office building downtown.
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My trip to the falls

Not sure if this will help someone in the future but hopefully it does. The main attraction of going to Niagara Falls was going to my favorite band Collective Soul that were playing at Seneca Casino on the American side. Since it was a bit much of a drive back I decided to go down and spend the night down there. Plus I wanted to visit the Canadian side and do some fun stuff.
Finding a hotel without losing an arm and a leg was easily the hardest part. I ended up going with the Econo Lodge By The Falls on Victoria Avenue. I was able to get 15% through my college's alumini so it came to about $157 where as some hotels nearby were asking $300.00 or more. Due to the price and since it was close to the attractions made it worthwhile for me but the room was pretty basic. The TV only had 10 channels and the picture was a bit fuzzy for instance. The one thing people might want to look at is find a hotel further away from the area and just park there as there didn't seem to be any shortage of parking.
I did get the Clifton Hills Fun Pass and each one were okay. I wasn't blown away by them as an adult but they are geared towards kids. I ended up doing some of them after the concert since they were open until 1 am. I was still surprised to see how busy the place was at midnight and still lots of kids were running around at that time.
For getting over the border I actually walked over the bridge. It cost a $1 to get into the States while it cost nothing to get back into Canada. There was a short 5 to 10 minute wait to speak to an agent on both ends for me. The casino was big and really nice looking so it was a bit strange to find the concert being held in a conference room with conference room chairs. They were comfy though.
The one other note is on the way down the QEW was stop and go in around the Hamilton area which added an extra 30-45 minutes to the drive. On the way back I had no slowdowns.
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